Right To Vape

It seems as if state legislators are busy pushing through e-cigarette legislation without any real debate or forethought, and they're doing so quickly with little notice or opportunity for opposing views to be heard.

Many times it starts off with something quite benign, and even laudable, such as the prohibition of the sale of e-cigarettes or liquids containing nicotine to minors, and then morphs into something ugly like prohibiting the use of e-cigarettes in areas where "smoking" isn't allowed.  Other times, the legislation starts off as a smoking ban, and then at the 11th hour, the definition of "smoking," against all reason and scientific fact, gets changed so that e-cigarettes get treated the same as tobacco cigarettes.

Time for us to be proactive instead of reactive.

Here's information on New Hampshire.  Anyone who has any additional information regarding New Hampshire, please share on this thread.  If you are aware of any legislation in other states involving smoking (yeah, smoking--not just vaporization) or sale of e-cigarettes/nicotine liquid to minors, please start a new thread for that state.


HB1541 -FN
Session Year 2010
  Bill Docket
  Bill Status
  Bill Text       Title: prohibiting the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.
G-Status:    HOUSE
House Status:    IN COMMITTEE
Senate Status:    
Next/Last Comm:    HOUSE COMMERCE AND CONSUMER AFFAIRS
Next/Last Hearing:    Time not specified    RM 302 LOB



2010-H-2206-R
HB1541   prohibiting the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.
Sponsors:    (Prime) Rich T DiPentima
Evalyn S Merrick
Frank R Kotowski
Thomas E Donovan
James P Pilliod
Peggy  Gilmour

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HB 1541-FN – AS INTRODUCED

2010 SESSION

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HOUSE BILL 1541-FN

AN ACT prohibiting the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.

SPONSORS: Rep. DiPentima, Rock 16; Rep. E. Merrick, Coos 2; Rep. Kotowski, Merr 9; Rep. Donovan, Sull 4; Rep. Pilliod, Belk 5; Sen. Gilmour, Dist 12

COMMITTEE: Commerce and Consumer Affairs

ANALYSIS

This bill prohibits the sale of e-cigarettes and liquid nicotine to minors.

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Explanation: Matter added to current law appears in bold italics.

Matter removed from current law appears [in brackets and struckthrough.]

Matter which is either (a) all new or (b) repealed and reenacted appears in regular type.

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STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Ten

AN ACT prohibiting the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.

Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:

1 New Paragraph; Youth Access to Tobacco Products; Definition of E-Cigarette. Amend RSA 126-K:2 by inserting after paragraph II the following new paragraph:

II-a. “E-cigarette” means any electronic smoking device composed of a mouthpiece, heating element, battery, and electronic circuits that provides a vapor of pure nicotine mixed with propylene glycol to the user as the user simulates smoking. This term shall include such devices whether they are manufactured as e-cigarettes, e-cigars, e-pipes, or under any other product name.

2 New Paragraph; Definition of Liquid Nicotine Added. Amend RSA 126-K:2 by inserting after paragraph III the following new paragraph:

III-a. “Liquid nicotine” means any liquid product composed either in whole or in part of pure nicotine and propylene glycol and manufactured for use with e-cigarettes.

3 Proof of Age of Purchaser. Amend the introductory paragraph of RSA 126-K:3, I to read as follows:

I. For the purposes of this chapter, any person responsible for monitoring sales from a tobacco vending machine or any person making the sale of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine which vending machine or other sale is to be made to any person who does not appear to be at least 18 years of age, shall require the purchaser to furnish any of the following documentation that such person is 18 years of age or over:

4 Proof of Age of Purchaser. Amend the introductory paragraph of RSA 126-K:3, III to read as follows:

III. The establishment of all of the following facts by a person responsible for monitoring sales from a vending machine or a person or sampler making a sale or distribution of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine to a person under 18 years of age shall constitute prima facie evidence of innocence and a defense to any prosecution for such sale:

5 Sale and Distribution of E-Cigarettes to Minors Prohibited. Amend the section heading of RSA 126-K:4 and RSA 126-K:4, I to read as follows:

126-K:4 Sale and Distribution of Tobacco Products, E-cigarettes, or Liquid Nicotine to Minors Prohibited.

I. No person shall sell, give, or furnish or cause or allow or procure to be sold, given, or furnished tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine to a minor. The prohibition established by this paragraph shall not be deemed to prohibit minors employed by any manufacturer, wholesaler, sub-jobber, vending machine operator, sampler, or retailer from performing the necessary handling of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine during the duration of their employment.

6 Distribution of Free Samples. Amend RSA 126-K:5, I and II to read as follows:

I. No person may distribute or offer to distribute samples of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine in a public place. This prohibition shall not apply to sampling:

(a) In an area to which minors are denied access.

(b) In a store to which a retailer's license has been issued.

(c) At factory sites, construction sites, conventions, trade shows, fairs, or motorsport facilities in areas to which minors are denied access.

II. The commission shall adopt rules, pursuant to RSA 541-A, concerning the distribution of free samples of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine to prevent their distribution to minors.

7 Possession and Use of E-Cigarettes by Minors. Amend the section heading and RSA 126-K:6, I and II to read as follows:

126-K:6 Possession and Use of Tobacco Products, E-cigarettes, or Liquid Nicotine by Minors.

I. No person under 18 years of age shall purchase, attempt to purchase, possess, or use any tobacco product, e-cigarette, or liquid nicotine.

II. The prohibition on possession of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine shall not be deemed to prohibit minors employed by any manufacturer, wholesaler, sub-jobber, vending machine operator, sampler, or retailer from performing the necessary handling of tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine during the duration of their employment.

8 Use of E-Cigarettes on Public Educational Facility Grounds Prohibited. Amend RSA 126-K:7 to read as follows:

126-K:7 Use of Tobacco Products, E-cigarettes, or Liquid Nicotine on Public Educational Facility Grounds Prohibited.

I. No person shall use any tobacco product, e-cigarette, or liquid nicotine in any public educational facility or on the grounds of any public educational facility.

II. Any person who violates this section shall be guilty of a violation and, notwithstanding RSA 651:2, shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $100 for each offense.

9 Special Provisions. Amend RSA 126-K:8, I to read as follows:

I. No person shall sell, give, or furnish tobacco products, e-cigarettes, or liquid nicotine to a minor who has a note from an adult requesting such sale, gift, or delivery.

10 Effective Date. This act shall take effect January 1, 2011.

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HB 1541-FN - FISCAL NOTE

AN ACT prohibiting the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.

FISCAL IMPACT:

            The Judicial Branch, the Judicial Council, and the New Hampshire Association of Counties state this bill may increase state and county expenditures by an indeterminable amount in FY 2011 and each year thereafter. There will be no fiscal impact on local expenditures or state, county and local revenue.

METHODOLOGY:

      The Branch states this bill will amend various sections of RSA 126-K to prohibit the sale of e-cigarettes and liquid nicotine to minors. The amendment to RSA 126-K does raise the possibility of a violation and misdemeanor offenses for violations of the e-cigarette and liquid nicotine prohibitions. The cost to the Branch for an average violation is $35.75 per violation in fiscal year 2011 and each year thereafter. The Branch states it would take 280 additional violation offenses to have a fiscal impact in excess of $10,000.

      The Branch assumes the unspecified misdemeanors contained in RSA 126-K will be treated as class B misdemeanors for the purposes of the fiscal note. Pursuant to RSA 625:9, IV unspecified misdemeanors are treated as class B misdemeanors unless the offense involves an “act of violence” or “threat of violence” as defined in RSA 625:9, VII or the state files a notice of intent to seek class A misdemeanor penalties. The Branch states the cost of a class B misdemeanor case is $36.89 in FY 2011 and each year thereafter. The Branch estimates it would take 272 additional class B misdemeanor cases to have a fiscal impact in excess of $10,000 each year. However, the possibility of appeals reduces the number of cases needed for a fiscal impact to the Branch in excess of $10,000.

      The Judicial Council states to the extent an unspecified misdemeanor results in a misdemeanor offense where the right to counsel exists this bill may result in an indeterminable increase in general fund expenditures. The Council states if an individual is found to be indigent, the flat fee of $275 per misdemeanor is charged by a public defender or contract attorney. If an assigned counsel attorney is used the fee is $60 per hour with a cap of $1,400 for a misdemeanor charge. The Council also states additional costs could be incurred if an appeal is

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      filed. The public defender, contract attorney and assigned counsel rates for Supreme Court appeals is $2,000 per case, with many assigned counsel attorneys seeking permission to exceed the fee cap. Requests to exceed the fee cap are seldom granted. Finally, expenditures would increase if services other than counsel are requested and approved by the court during the defense of a case or during an appeal.

      The New Hampshire Association of Counties states to the extent an individual is prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to incarceration, the counties may have increased expenditures. The Association is unable to determine the number of individuals who might be detained or incarcerated as a result of this bill. The average cost to incarcerate an individual in a county facility is $35,342 a year.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_Status/default.aspx

I got all the senators names and e-mail telephone, but when I paste they jumble up so will work offline on it and then paste it.

go to this link and download the address labels for all the senators;

the button with    "09-'10 mailing labels'

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/senate/clerksoffice.html

Taz, you have outdone yourself. 

If we had friends in NH we could send the senators snail mail.

I'd like to hear thoughts from people on how we ought to proceed.

There are basically two schools of thought on this. 

On the one hand, since this is a ban on the sale to minors (which we support) and doesn't involve a smoking ban or including PVs in a smoking ban (except in educational facilities), some might feel that the best course of action is to be silent and watch like a hawk in case the winds shift.

The other view would be that we've seen how quickly relatively innocent legislation can turn . . . Indianapolis and New Jersey being prime examples of that.  If we remain silent, even if we're watching carefully, things can quickly spiral out of control, and we will have lost a good opportunity to educate and inform perhaps before positions become hardened.

If you had asked me a few months ago, I would have opted for the wait and see approach.  No need to disturb sleeping dogs and all that.  After the last few battles, however, I personally would prefer a more proactive stance.

My thought would be to write/email to offer our firm support for prohibiting the sale of nicotine containing liquids and e-cigarettes to those not of legal age.  And then perhaps after that nice one- or two-liner, we can launch into a discussion/testimonial of the good things about e-cigarettes.

Any thoughts?

Julie, I think we need to go pro-active and not just with NH. We really need to start an educational program for all our elected officials. They all need to know they are brushing their teeth with the same antifreeze thats in e-cigarettes and such. When we get them to understand that the FDA's antifreeze is in their mouths , stomach and on their skin everyday we will get their attention.

Pro-active program, and not just for politicians either, is the route I see as needed too. Of course all the current-underway legistlation is late day allready to still call 'pro-active' - but I do think we need to jump in there too.
I do think we need to be earlier with all we can though - ideal would be to 'be in the heads' of any local government well before even the first legislator there lets any idea about anything e-cig pop into their heads - that head needs to have the right info on vaping before that moment, to stop the 'adding in all vaping for everyone' to the legislation-idea before that thought even emerges - that's where we should set up our operating wherever possible I think.

But for where we can't meet that goal anymore: certainly try to do damage-control, or in best cases some real education to open minds, by all means.