Right To Vape

One of the things I hope Right to Vape will get around to is trying to have scientific studies carried out on doses and how much nicotine is getting into our bloodstream.  Maybe puff counts could be part of such a study.

It absolutely should.  This is how the liquid is distributed into the body.  Via a "puff".  AND the industry so desperately needs some consistency in its statistics.  It's crazy when you sit back and go through these discussions how this is really the infancy of e-smoking and we are all walking down an unmanned trail!

Don't worry about being ratty.     Our discussions can be colorful...  I appreciate your willingness to want things right... I do too.  I by no means want to sell something for what it is not.   

You come across as very ethical Lacey, I'm sure your motives are good.

Thanks for helping us out here too, it's good when we can all pull together.

I'm glad that you've made contact with the harm prevention group, you're a fine ambassador

We need a Grant Writer, does anyone do that here? Calling all Grant Writers!! I could give it a shot because I am a fundraiser, but grant writing is a whole different ball game.

I've written some charity grant applications in the past but am very, very rusty now.

If someone came up with the questions or statements to be presented then I could try to help.

Do you have a particular purpose and source in mind Watertones?

Lacey, I've just come across this, you might be interested - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/7216-can-someone-help-me-math.html#post110153

Kate -  Thanks for the good words   And thanks for the link.  I have actually printed a copy so I can sit and digest it.  I am not good with numbers... thank god I married someone who is or the kid would be a dolt! HA!

Well Kate, I was just thinking if we had the resources (i.e. money) to get the ball rolling on independent studies we could push this community further. But on second thought we should get more organized. I don't know if we'd be able to get a grant just on what we have right now. Funders usually look for more of an organization or business to give these things to, one with a solid mission, a leader in the community, and a track record for getting things done. I think we have a good start. I'm envisioning more of a NPO here, but I may just be going in a different direction than everyone else.

I think would be really cool is that the forum was a subsidiary of RTV, and RTV was more of an org. We're already much different than other forums, but our forum is much less active on the mechanics and reviews than it is on activism. ECF is huge on the forum end, ECR is driven by reviews, and we're community activism.

I'm just rambling here, but I think if we put our heads together we could really shape this into a real non profit that gets shit done. Of course that is a large undertaking and we are spread all over the world.  It's doable, but not necessary.

We have discussed becoming a registered charity, have a look at the legal section of the forum, specifically 'Making RtV Official'.

When we started organising the idea seemed to be that RtV would be a voluntary organisation with this website as a base for communicating.

We now have 3xsections with up to 9xmanagers/mods each.  2x admins and the ordinary members (including suppliers).

All discussions are public and anyone can contribute except for a Headquarters base for managers/mods to meet up.

We also have made an About Us page - http://www.righttovape.com/index.php?page=31

Right, I saw all of that accept the "making RtV official." I thought I got caught up on everything. It sucks that I missed everything while I was away.

I am looking into testing now and I will tell you that it is not cheap!  Holy moly.  $10k to get regular/menthol in 4 strengths of each tested.  And that is for ingredients only!  I haven't even gotten the quote back for the vapor tests yet!

So when it comes to testing, RTV will need to decide how they want to go about doing this and where they are going to start.  (My suggestion is start with JC/TW)  Then branch out from there.  I would say start in China, but I think you would want to get home court advantage first.  However, that is still $20k for regular/menthol only.

However... on the donation front, here is a blog post from paypal about what they have to offer for accepting donations...https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2008/01/helping-non-pro/  To use their service you must be a 501(C)(3) non-profit organization.

Is it me or does no one know what a puff is? Puffs are useless measures of intake. I take primer puffs, puffs for the sakes of puffing and actual draws that enter my lungs. It seems to me that much of the nic I might take in is wasted on puffs without inhalation. Which brings us back to the basic question of how much nicotine we potentially ingest.

Kate asks for us to look at our ml intake for the day as a measure. That cannot be accutate if we puff with no inhalation. Lacey makes some generalizations on her website that may or may not be more accurate. The overwheliming factor is we do not know, nor do we have any idea how to determine nic intake.

For me, I care less. I took up e-cigs as an experiment and it turned out that I quit analogs (so far). I primarily refill carts with 24 or 36 mg e-liquids. I have had no ill effects, thus far. The benefits, in the short term, for me, seem to outweigh the long term negative effects.

As far as testing goes, that is the responsibility of the manufacturer. It would be unusual for users of a new technology to put up the cash for testing. If the manufacturers are serious about their product, they will go through proper channels fto apply for some seal of approavl. Customers should be lobbying manufacturers to encourage them to move forward with some sort of application process toward approval (by some dumb ass regualtory body).

"...I have had no ill effects, thus far..."

Some people have.

I'm sure that I inhale more nic than I did when smoking tobacco. Days like today, when I am a bit bored, I can actually feel it, and I am using 16mg juice. I have that edgy, twitchy feel, which I don't remember having from tobacco (even pipe tobacco - yes, I inhaled that too!). With tobacco, other discomforts would slow me down before the nic twitch started.

I'm not sure how to measure nic intake. Certainly we need to avoid hard-to-define criteria like "puffs" or "cigarettes".

Kate's idea seems closest to the mark, as mg and ml have firm meanings.